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#176 by batoo
2018-11-28 at 10:48
#175 I encountered the same problem with a game based on time travel (the protagonist meets himself in the past). I proposed the trait Geminus, to see if it is approved later ...Last modified on 2018-11-28 at 10:48
#177 by barfboy
2018-11-28 at 20:17
Groovy. It also works absolutely wonderfully for characters like Himenomi Kurumi
#178 by barfboy
2018-11-29 at 21:24
Sorry for all the rape questions but I keep running into them.

Character has an incestuous rape fetish
Kisaragi Ayano

She sets up a situation where she hopes her twin brother will finally rape her (masturbating in the school infirmary hoping he spies on her). And when he finally rapes her she spends the entire time screaming rape and begging him to at least pull out so he won't get her pregnant. Afterwards she thanks him for finally giving her her dream of being raped by him then gives him a schedule of what days she's ovulating on so he can be sure to rape her on the right days to make her pregnant.

So .... I don't know if this should be tagged as rape or not. She definitely wanted it, even thanking him for it afterwards. Then telling him to please 'rape' her more often making all future sexual encounters with her suspect.

This is obviously not the first time I've encountered this and it certainly won't be the last because rape fetishes are one of women's most common fetishes.

There's another side of this as well. Those instances where a man sets up a situation to rape his own girlfriend . Such as tying her up and blindfolding her in a public park then walking off only to sneak back and 'rape' her where she thinks a stranger is doing the act only to have him remove the blindfold revealing 'surprise it was me all along!' and she forgives him and they continue having sex. Such as with Someya Shiiko

I've been using the trait Fake Rape to handle these situations but I think we either:
1. need a new tag and trait describing a situation where someone sets up their own or their partner's rape fantasy or
2. Need to edit the fake rape tag and trait to handle these situations better or
3. Need something in the standard rape tag and trait to explain that even if the person wants to be raped it still counts as rape because consent hasn't been given to their partner.

I would rather not use #3 because I don't know how a person could be either warned that the rape in a game is actually something the victim wants or that someone who's searching for such situations would have a very difficult time finding them.
#179 by beliar
2018-11-29 at 21:40
Both real life and fiction are full of complex and strange things that are not easily categorized and put into tiny little boxes. You just physically cannot create traits and tags for every little variation of a fetish that appears on screen. That would be insane and would just clutter the db.

I'm against creating new traits/tags just for such specific situations, as I can bet my balls that even more strange and specific situations will soon be discovered.

I personally would use "Fake Rape", which probably calls for a slight tinkering with the trait description, so such situations could be taken into account.
#180 by barfboy
2018-11-30 at 03:53
Yeah, I can keep using Fake Rape for stuff like this.
#181 by batoo
2018-11-30 at 12:51
I also think that Fake Rape is good enough. In the worst case, we ask to add the term of "Consensual Rape (Fetish)" in Aliases.Last modified on 2018-11-30 at 12:51
#182 by barfboy
2018-12-09 at 05:50
I added Public Use
to Shizuki Yuri
(because it's better to ask forgiveness than permission?).

I might be misusing it. After being repeatedly raped and having her clothes stolen she keeps arriving at school naked. This happens so frequently the teachers, students, and police just don't give a fuck anymore thinking she's doing it herself because she's a pervert (the molesters are working in teams and this was their goal).

So nobody gives a flying fuck when she's raped anymore, anywhere, or anytime. In class, on the train, in a crowded bus terminal, whatever, everyone just watches. She's not tied up though or abandoned in a cage or anything. So she has her freedom still and she's not a slave, it's just that no matter where she goes people are going to use her to satisfy their lust.

Same applies to
Saki Haruka
and
Shinomiya Sumire
(those poor 4H girls)

and all the girls from
Onegai Tasukete! ~Soto ni Detara Yararechau~
and
Onegai Tasukete!! 2 ~Sosogare Tsuzukeru Seieki~

I only applied it to Yuri so it can easily be undone.
#183 by barfboy
2018-12-09 at 18:15
What do you call a girl who treats other girls as sex objects?

For a male I would call them a 'cad'
link

or Womanizer

But I can't apply that to a woman. Character in question is
Obihiro Raichi

but there's certainly others such as
Hatsuse Akira
#184 by alto
2018-12-15 at 23:20
Few random questions:
1) Subtitle separation. What, if any, separator should be used for title/subtitle? I've seen hyphens, colons and nothing. Even within the same series it's not often consistent: その花びら.
2) If a digital game updates and adds/changes things - voice addition, resolution change, animation added etc; should a separate entry be created? Pretty sure the answer is no or at most a note but sometimes I see people create new releases for updates, especially if the game has version numbers.
3) What is the threshold for considering developers/publishers related? There are a few companies I know with same art style and game engine (custom Unity), websites use same template for each game, doing GTIN lookup finds the same company, titles included in same publisher sales and a few other misc details. None of that is quite "proof" though, so I've not edited so far.Last modified on 2018-12-15 at 23:20
#185 by beliar
2018-12-15 at 23:47
1) We don't really have a standard for that. At least I think it should be consistent within the series.
2) Big enough changes (addition of a significant amount of new story content, addition of voices, new languages, addition or removal of censorship, art overhaul and so on) do deserve the creation of a new release entry. That way people will be able to see at a glance that, for example, one entry has voices and the other is voiceless and when the change happened.Last modified on 2018-12-15 at 23:47
#186 by alto
2018-12-15 at 23:55
Thanks. I guess I'll just go with whatever feels right for 1) unless we get some consensus. For 2), does that change when the update is free? I'm especially dubious of creating entries for games on auto updating platforms where the user does nothing to get the new stuff.
#187 by beliar
2018-12-16 at 09:54
for games on auto updating platforms
And more specifically Steam, right? Yeah, it doesn't matter if the update is free. We currently add significant changes as new releases, though some VN entries have become quite clustered due to that. Case in point: Fault Milestone One.
#188 by barfboy
2018-12-17 at 02:58
Is sex inside a photo booth considered Production of Pornography
#189 by barfboy
2018-12-17 at 19:14
I'll just mark that other one as production of pornography since there seems to be no complaints.

Is having sex during a phone conversation where the other party knows you're having sex at the time Sex in Front of an Audience
#190 by wakaranai
2018-12-17 at 19:25
^ both no. taking pictures while having sex is not enough to qualify as a porn production.

for the second one: do you even read trait descriptions before asking? "whilst somebody else is watching them", listening is not enough obviously.
#191 by beliar
2018-12-17 at 20:17
Agreed with Wakaranai - no on both.
#192 by armony
2018-12-17 at 21:30
Is having sex during a phone conversation where the other party knows you're having sex at the time Sex in Front of an Audience
It could be Consensual Phone Sex or failed Discreet Phone Sex.
#193 by barfboy
2018-12-17 at 22:28
Cool.

Well in this instance it's not failed discreet phone sex nor is she engaged in roleplay with the other party. The person in question is a nun who wishes to let her father, who apparently forced her to become a nun, to listen to her having sex with her boyfriend so he knows she's broken her vows and won't be a nun anymore. It's quite deliberate.

How about Kurashiki Amane live streaming sex with her boyfriend to her internet fans?
#194 by gregory
2018-12-17 at 22:39
That's the Live Sex Chat trait.Last modified on 2018-12-17 at 22:40
#195 by barfboy
2018-12-18 at 16:11
I'm not sure? The person on the other end of the line is definitely aware of the nature of the call but they're not taking part in it other than listening. Her partner in the scene is the protagonist, not her father.

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There's another scene in the same game where Ryuugasaki Yuzuki is having sex with Amami Hassaku while recording it live on her smartphone in a call to Narita Gumi

I wouldn't say Gumi is part of the phone sex either, she's simply an observer. It's an interesting trait but I'm not sure it applies.
#196 by minah
2018-12-28 at 18:37
I think this was discussed before but I forget what the answer was. Should the medium include stuff that's included in the package but isn't necessary to play the game? e.g. r60112 includes a DVD with the game on it plus two soundtrack CDs, so should the medium be 1 DVD or 1 DVD + 2 CD?
#197 by wakaranai
2018-12-28 at 19:28
^ bonus content is not included, t8242.63
#198 by eacil
2019-02-06 at 20:16
A new release or a note when an app has been updated with a new chapter (which was released separately on PC)? Talking about Dare mo Shiranai Sora e no Namida. You need to pay once more inside the app to get it.
Ver. 2.00 第2巻(本編2巻)の購入機能追加と不具合の修正
The problem will be that every new micro release we will get two new ios/android releases with the exact same name (like it's updated).
Also, I believe Japanese parts not part of the title can be translated, right? Like good old ダウンロード版 is always translated as Download Edition but more specific stuff like 抱き枕カバー付き限定版=Dakimakura Cover Included Limited Edition too. Someone see a problem with me translating 本編1/2巻 as "Volume 1/2" and R18番外編1巻 as "Extra R18 Volume 1" instead of "Honpen Nikkan"/"R18 Bangaihen Ikkan"? If not, I predict the page to be completely unreadable in a year.

How I see it, it should be a new release with the usual "superseded by" note, with a Volume 1/2 inside brackets like we do for regions.
[ios] Dare mo Shiranai Sora e no Namida (Volume 1)
[android] Dare mo Shiranai Sora e no Namida (Volume 1)
[ios] Dare mo Shiranai Sora e no Namida (Volume 2)
[android] Dare mo Shiranai Sora e no Namida (Volume 2)

I am in fact less asking than seeking approval to prevent a reversion (translating the releases' specific parts is one of those unsaid rules, me finding nothing about that in the FAQ).Last modified on 2019-02-06 at 20:19
#199 by beliar
2019-02-07 at 23:08
Clarifiers that are not part of the title, like 'Volume 1' can probably be translated, rather than transliterated for readability sake, even though we don't have anything in the rules regarding this. Actually that has been applied pretty inconsistently in the db. Certain clarifiers get translated, others transliterated by different editors.

As for updating the release with a new chapter, the creation of another release makes more sense, even though we are sacrificing readability for that.
#200 by eacil
2019-02-08 at 08:39
Phew, it looks much clearer now, right? The only thing I don't know what to do about is r59725. I can't find much info given it's a patreon-like and fail to understand what's special about it compared to r62100 to deserve a separate release.

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